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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number

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640 for the 17th of january 2021

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richard saunders coming to you from

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sydney australia where the weather is

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fine and dark because it's not sunny yet

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it will be sunny because it's a

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pre-dawn a good time to record

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coming up on this week's show our guest

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reader laura benham

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reads the report the release from the

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good thinking society in the uk

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about the professional standards

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homeopaths

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all washed up

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coming up to start off this week's

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episode of the skeptic zone

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and coming up after that it's logical

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fallacies

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with michelle biggesmar once again and

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she's looking at you know i saw a really

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where it's a red herring don't be

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red herring after that find out what

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maynard and i get up to when we're not

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doing the skeptic's own podcast

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we're moonlighting or the secret is

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coming out that we're moonlighting as

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believe it or not we have a dial-up

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somehow i don't think our business model

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then we have the latest news and bits of

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information from the australian skeptics

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written by tim mendem and then to wrap

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up the show our continuing series of

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into the unknown from 1950 from the

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trove archives

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the show for more announcements from me

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more information more things i think

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including an upcoming event in canberra

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but now it's time for me to run

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thai chicken with chili and lime soup

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how about that thai chicken with chili

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hi this is lara benham from australian

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skeptic's new south wales committee

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within the last week our friends at the

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good thinking society in the uk

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the so-called alternative medicine

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modality of homeopathy

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this news comes to us from the society's

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website at goodthinkingsociety.org

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published on the 11th of january by

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professional standards authority

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suspends the society of homeopaths

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since 2019 good thinking has made the

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case that psa accreditation

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our legal case was withdrawn after the

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about all the western medicine that is

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recalled every year

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whatever the case is with science-based

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medicine

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alternative medical proponents

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it really has no bearing on the validity

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of homeopathy

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but before you know it you are talking

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about other things

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rather than homeopathy the astrologist

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said he could predict the outcome of the

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next election

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when that didn't come to pass he

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explained how

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hard he'd been working on a new form of

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astrology

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that took more stars into consideration

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maybe this new astrology is very

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interesting and something to talk about

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but whether that is the new astrology

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itself

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or the hard work put into it neither

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has anything to do with the past failure

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chasing a red herring means you have

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been taken away from the point in hand

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before you know it the original topic

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has been lost

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and you might not be able to return to

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it

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[Music]

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knowing a logical fallacy when you hear

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one and even knowing its name

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is important when arguing your point of

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view however

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you may come across as arrogant and not

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get very far

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if you call it out by name to your

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opponent when you hear it being used

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if your opponent calls you out for using

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one

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it's time to stop and think about how

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you are making your case

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use your knowledge of logical fallacies

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wisely

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and remember that even if your point of

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view is right

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and you know all the pitfalls in arguing

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your case

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it doesn't always mean you'll win on the

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day

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and as skeptics we must also remember

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that we too can be wrong at times

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i'm michelle bickersma from the vic

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skeptics cafe online from victoria

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australia

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no matter where you are in the world

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join us on monday the 18th of january

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2021

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for a live talk online is

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pain gendered with gabrielle jackson

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what is chronic pain and who gets it why

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do we know so little about the

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mechanisms of

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chronic pain could it be because women

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make up the bulk of chronic pain

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patients

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and most of our pain medicine has been

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tested on

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men this presentation will explore the

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vexed

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issue of chronic pain and medicine's

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problem with understanding

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and listening to women we also consider

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how medicine's lack of interest in

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female biology

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affects men gabrielle jackson is the

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associate editor

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news and audio for guardian australia

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she is the author of

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pain and prejudice and is the winner of

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the 2016

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medicine wise award for excellence in

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media reporting

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join us via zoom 8 pm for a chat

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then the talk begins at 8 30 pm

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australian eastern daylight time

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that's 9am on the 18th uk time

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4 am on the 18th east coast usa

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and 1am on the 18th west coast usa

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for more information and the zoom link

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just head to www.facebook.com

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[Music]

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hello hello saunders astrological

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services richard saunders here

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psychic intuitive and master of the

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seven

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secrets of astrology an expert in the

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little known art of

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individual planet interpretation even

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dwarf planets

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this month's special offer each reading

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will be prepared on a typewriter used by

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nostradamus himself and posted to you

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for the low price of just

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19.65 now

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how may i help you my name is annika and

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i'm looking for some advice and guidance

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yes i thought so my clairvoyant insights

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told me via the

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vibrations in the cosmic field

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now before we start our fees and charges

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are based on your star sign

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i can already sense what your star sign

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is you you have the aspects

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of a sagittarius but may i ask you

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exactly when you were born uh

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well i'm actually a taurus yes

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i knew that the vibrations in the cosmic

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field told me

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but you have the aspect of the

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sagittarius which is quite common for

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people born

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under the sign of taurus really wow

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and i didn't even tell you anything

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about me not everyone has the gift you

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know

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now about your reading oh it's not for

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me

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yes yes i sense that too it's

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it's about a family member or

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or someone you think of as family yes

421
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sort of it's my cat henrietta your cat

422
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yes called henrietta yes

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okay then yes well i think we might be

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able to do something for you um

425
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yeah okay i'm getting

426
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i'm getting the feeling that your cat is

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a very old

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soul yes wisdom

429
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now when was your cat born i'll need

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this to prepare her chat

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um next week next week

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yes she's coming from a litter born

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sometime next week

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i see can you tell me if jupiter and

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saturn almost touching in the sky

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will have any effect on her when she is

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born

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jupiter and saturn almost touching

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what yes i saw it on the tv at the end

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of 2020

441
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oh oh yes well we need to take all sorts

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of things into consideration you know

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but since she will be born in the future

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i might need to confirm with my

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colleague for a moment about henrietta

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please hold okay

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hey hey maynard we've got a live one

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here

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why is that she wants it reading for a

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cat that hasn't even been

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born yet that's a new one still better

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than the goldfish reading i had to give

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yesterday we

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i mean you tried talking goldfish

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goldfish

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what did you say i said it was a pisces

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with aspects of aquarius

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get it i see anyway she told me that

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jupiter and saturn were almost touching

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that doesn't sound right i mean they

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must be hundreds of kilometers apart

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how can they touch um yeah i don't think

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that's right

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i wonder do you think she might know

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something about astronomy too

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maybe anyway what do i tell her tell her

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that the vibrations in the cosmic field

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are telling you the cat

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will have some aspects of a uh

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sagittarius

471
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oh i used that one on her already oh

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did she buy it hook line and sinker

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hmm just like the goldfish okay then let

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me talk to her

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i love that music hello this is

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mystic i work at richard here at

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saunders astrological services

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now uh we've just been studying the

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chart and confirming

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our findings with our uh our uh a

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supercomputer

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oh wow that is impressive what did you

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find out

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what will my cat be like well according

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to the alignment of jupiter and saturn

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your cat will be prone to sleeping

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sleeping sleeping a lot meowing just

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before

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dinner time and she would like to chase

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stuff things

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stuff uh things that move uh string

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small bits of string it also says this

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you may well end up on your lap

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on winter evenings and the supercomputer

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has also calculated that she

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does like to be scratched behind the

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ears that is just

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amazing you seem to be describing my

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last cat who died three months ago

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ah well uh you see um

501
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uh look just looking at this report this

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new cat will be the

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reincarnation of your last cat that's

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right

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yes the reincarnation of your last cat

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yes the chart makes this incredibly

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clear

508
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oh wow i cannot believe it oh it's all

509
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part of the service

510
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i'll pass you back to mr saunders one

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moment you're gonna love the music

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well hook line and sinker

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okay good let's see if we can upsell her

514
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hello again annika hello look

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um my spirit guides are giving me via

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the

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your cat

518
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oh dear yes

519
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have you thought about taking out

520
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paranormal

521
00:21:56,029 --> 00:21:54,400
insurance no what is that it covers your

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future cat against

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unforeseen circumstances unforeseen

524
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circumstances

525
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but don't you know what the future holds

526
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uh

527
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it it doesn't work that way the stars

528
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offer us a look into a possible future

529
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it's all the other possible futures that

530
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this insurance covers you see

531
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and who knows what they might bring

532
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:26,240
oh no well okay then how much is it

533
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well together with the reading

534
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1965 dollars all

535
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up now will that be check credit card or

536
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:45,440
paypal well i'm so impressed with your

537
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readings

538
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:49,360
it was like a real esp experience so

539
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i'll buy it all the reading and the

540
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insurance

541
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i'm transmitting my payment to you now

542
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via vibrations in the cosmic field

543
00:23:01,350 --> 00:23:00,640
uh via what vibrations in the cosmic

544
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field

545
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:03,840
did it arrive i also sent my contact

546
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:06,080
details via the vibrations

547
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:14,310
oh no not again

548
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:17,440
i told you get their payment first

549
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you keep this up and they're gonna take

550
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[Music]

551
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did you know the european continent is

552
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home to almost 750 million people living

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in 50 different countries

554
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belonging to an even greater number of

555
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ethnicities and believe it or not

556
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only a handful of them list english as

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the first or at least one of the

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official languages

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and there's an amazing amount of

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skeptical activism going on out there

561
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that you are not aware of because it's

562
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not in english

563
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:58,880
yeah because you know pseudoscience

564
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,320
quackery and fake news

565
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,240
do not stop at borders they get

566
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translated to other languages and

567
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transferred across the whole world

568
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so if you're interested in weekly

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00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,760
updates on what's going on

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in some of the countries here providing

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you with all the interesting facts news

572
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:16,080
and even some skeptical history

573
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,919
or if you want to hear interviews in

574
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english with brilliant people you

575
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,440
sometimes haven't even heard about

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then what you need is to subscribe to

577
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579
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no the espsn the european skeptics

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583
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you can find us online

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go to thesp.edu and you can also find us

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believe

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[Music]

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it's 2021 and time for the first

600
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newsletter from the australian skeptics

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00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:30,400
of the year

602
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this is newsletter number 114

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and this is written and posted by

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tim mendem hello tim

605
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:44,400
hi all it says welcome to what will

606
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hopefully be a better year

607
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,520
when did he write this a short

608
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,600
newsletter to kick off the season

609
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:53,760
but one that indicates that despite the

610
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holiday break

611
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,720
the silly stuff just keeps on coming

612
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:00,640
and in greater numbers than the true

613
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:07,590
and remember these items and articles

614
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are all

615
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links so you can read more when you get

616
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the newsletter delivered to your inbox

617
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,720
have lockdowns caused suicides during

618
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covert 19

619
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:20,640
a good article that debunks some

620
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accepted

621
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:24,880
wisdom schismatic proves

622
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:28,159
in inverted commas 5g chip

623
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:31,760
link to covert 19 vaccines conspiracy

624
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,240
theorists have shared a schematic

625
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:36,799
for a 5g chip which they claim is

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evidence that

627
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such a device is to be inserted into

628
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a covert 19 vaccine or at least it would

629
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be good evidence if new evidence had not

630
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shown

631
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it to be a reworked electronic circuit

632
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for an electric guitar foot pedal

633
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the boss metal zone the pedal

634
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creates guitar distortion and has been

635
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described by some as quote the worst

636
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distortion pedal ever end quote

637
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,400
predictable failures from the psychic

638
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predictors

639
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:15,600
in 2020 it comes down to a fundamental

640
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misunderstanding of the

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time space continuum and an ugly

642
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reliance on the gregorian calendar

643
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where it is presumed that a line is

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drawn at 11

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59 pm on december 31

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and that the bin fire that was 2020

647
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will be cast into the flames leaving

648
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nothing but a void that can only be

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filled by psychics

650
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,679
who are called upon to murder chickens

651
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,120
slaughter goats or

652
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,360
whatever it is they do to divine the

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future

654
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jack the insider takes down the reader's

655
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goats and trails

656
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,960
and the very concept of a new year

657
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:54,640
there's no doubt that predictions for

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2021

659
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,799
will have a similar success rate and of

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course listeners will

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know that i together with a team of

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people from around the world are working

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on a giant

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uh project at the moment over

665
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well over 3000 predictions we are

666
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analyzing going back

667
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20 years skeptic in the post

668
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evans post truth era 2020 skeptic of the

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year mandy lee noble

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on what skepticism means for diets cures

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and pete evans

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a recording of mandy's sydney skeptics

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in the pub presentation

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from december and that was a very good

675
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talk indeed by our reporter mandy lee

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noble

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and that link leads you to the youtube

678
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the december 2020 issue of the skeptic

679
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the journal from australian skeptics is

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out

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it includes a major feature on good

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scientists going off the track

683
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and an in-depth review of judy

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wileyman's

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phd and how she uses it to give her

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anti-vaccination views

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credibility plus the usual panopy of

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interesting

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the weird the worrisome the fun

690
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:07,360
including a summary of

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skepticon and sadly we say goodbye to

692
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james the amazing randy

693
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:16,159
as a note here if you haven't subscribed

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or re-subscribed to

695
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,320
the skeptic there's a link to do that

696
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:22,640
and events coming up include

697
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perth adelaide victoria the gold

698
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coast and canberra and right here in

699
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,679
sydney a further note

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if you have any ideas or want to

701
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contribute to

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skeptics communications such as the

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magazine or facebook page

704
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,480
or just have something you want to get

705
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,399
off your chest then you're welcome to

706
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get in touch

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00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:50,000
news leads should be sent to news

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00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,399
tips at skeptics.com

709
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,960
for the magazine etcetera should go to

710
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:57,679
editor

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at skeptics.com and comments and

712
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suggestions

713
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even rude ones it says should also go to

714
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:05,120
editor

715
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at skeptics.com

716
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:11,919
and under items of interest it says

717
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seven paranormal temples in the shrines

718
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of india

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australia's most haunted beaches

720
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what at least australians might

721
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get to see these sooner than you can

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travel to see paranormal temples in

723
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india

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but watch out for bloodied morning

725
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mothers

726
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apparitions of swimmers mauled by sharks

727
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and floating body parts hmm nothing like

728
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a dip in the australian surf to bring

729
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out the ghoul in you

730
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a haunted beach a haunted

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beach in broad dayli this is one of the

732
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:49,279
things about ghost hunters and ghost

733
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investigations they always

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take place in the dark and already

735
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:57,039
what we might perceive as creepy or

736
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,240
dangerous places

737
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,440
tapping into our ancient instincts

738
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:03,600
for me the least scary place i'd ever

739
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:06,080
been one day was a graveyard

740
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,559
on the middle of a blazing hot day with

741
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the cicadas chirping

742
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ghosts were the furthest thing from my

743
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:14,880
mind another item can dogs see

744
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:18,000
ghosts hmm it says

745
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:21,600
this very short item says hmm not really

746
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,519
well there you go and the silliest story

747
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:27,440
of the year so far it says psychic sees

748
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,399
future by throwing asparagus

749
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,480
i'd rather eat asparagus myself but if

750
00:31:35,410 --> 00:31:34,399
you want to throw it to see the future

751
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go ahead

752
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[Music]

753
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,600
now there's a lot more to read in the

754
00:31:46,669 --> 00:31:41,600
australian skeptics newsletter

755
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,679
number 114 just visit www

756
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,240
www.skeptics.com.edu

757
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:51,039
and sign up for the newsletter with

758
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:52,720
thanks once again to

759
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,679
tim mendenham oh tim tim you're going to

760
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,200
have to come over to the skeptic zone

761
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studios before long

762
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:02,159
and record some of uh some more of the

763
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,919
book of tim

764
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:05,919
i tried to record at his place one day

765
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:08,399
folks you think the birds are bad here

766
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:11,600
blimey it's like he's living in a

767
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:14,320
little cage within a giant bird cage i

768
00:32:17,410 --> 00:32:14,960
think

769
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in his part of sydney and guess gets

770
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[Music]

771
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:38,960
this is kyle from the data skeptic

772
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,840
podcast if you're curious about the way

773
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:43,360
data is changing our world

774
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,760
topics like ai and all this craziness

775
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,600
with facebook and bots and

776
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,760
the twitter storm and how the algorithms

777
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:51,360
that underline that work

778
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,960
and you don't want a technical deep dive

779
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,640
you want it you know in the vernacular

780
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:56,159
in a way that people can understand

781
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:57,600
check us out at data skeptic that's what

782
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,200
we try and do i interview

783
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:01,200
advanced professionals in the field who

784
00:33:05,950 --> 00:33:02,720
do this sort of research and then

785
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,960
i get into interesting projects as well

786
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,600
[Music]

787
00:33:28,030 --> 00:33:09,360
we're a weekly show and you can find us

788
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,549
[Music]

789
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:35,269
now it's time to continue our series

790
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into

791
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the unknown first published in 1950

792
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in the sun newspaper in sydney

793
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:46,080
although it was probably of course

794
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:47,679
published in

795
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:50,000
the uk before that but anyway here in

796
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:50,960
australia

797
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,919
this comes to us now part three in our

798
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series anyway

799
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comes to us from september 24th

800
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[Music]

801
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,840
and if you remember last week we had the

802
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report of

803
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:11,520
mrs hughes going into a trance and being

804
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taken over by her spirit guide

805
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,069
into the unknown the riddle of

806
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:22,240
spiritualism a frank

807
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investigation by a panel of experts

808
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,240
and of course as ever this comes to us

809
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,440
from trove at trove.nla.gov

810
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:33,280
dot a you the online resource from the

811
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australian government

812
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:37,359
and the national library of australia of

813
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:38,320
digitized

814
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:41,599
newspapers periodicals journals and such

815
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:42,639
like

816
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,440
how does mediumship develop this is one

817
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:47,040
of the questions the panel

818
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[Music]

819
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:56,079
at a session held on a late afternoon in

820
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,040
the autumn

821
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in a private room at the malabone

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spiritualist association

823
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mr robert dell gave his account of how

824
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he developed his

825
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,160
powers of mediumship despite the

826
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:10,800
lateness of the session it was warm and

827
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:11,599
sunny

828
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when the seance started and the windows

829
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:16,079
of the room

830
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:19,280
were thrown wide open the sun shone into

831
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the

832
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:22,960
brightened

833
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,400
by two unshaded 100 watt bulbs

834
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:29,119
directly under which the medium sat

835
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:30,240
those who seek

836
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:33,359
psychic manifestations only in the

837
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,640
semi-darkness might have been surprised

838
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:38,480
at the contrast between

839
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:41,599
many dimly lit seance rooms and this

840
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:42,640
sunny room

841
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,160
devoid of all furniture except chairs

842
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,880
dell is a short sleight figure he is

843
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,079
bespeckled

844
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and was dressed in a brown suit brown

845
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:53,520
shoes

846
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,480
and yellow tie as will be seen from the

847
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,320
following account

848
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,240
dell was a cook in the royal air force

849
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:02,960
and sprinkles his alleged psychic

850
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:04,160
messages with

851
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,079
an amusing brand of service slang

852
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,160
thus he spoke of the beard seen on the

853
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,000
spirit form as

854
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:15,040
a van dyke not one of those square navy

855
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:16,079
efforts

856
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:18,400
after dell had been introduced to the

857
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,280
panel

858
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,520
he was asked how he began his psychic

859
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:23,359
work and gave the following

860
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:26,560
explanation it began when i was three

861
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,520
years old

862
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,520
and i saw the spirit of my grandmother

863
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:31,839
who passed before i was born

864
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,119
mine was not a spiritualist family

865
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:37,200
in fact my mother was the daughter of a

866
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:40,240
vicar and my dad was a roman catholic

867
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:43,280
young as i was i shan't forget the first

868
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:46,240
occasion i was sitting in the lounge on

869
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,040
the mat

870
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,839
the first time in my life but not the

871
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:50,640
last

872
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:54,160
i have been on the carpet i asked

873
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,000
who is the lady standing behind

874
00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:00,800
daddy they said there was no lady

875
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:01,599
standing

876
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:04,880
but i persisted she is his mother and

877
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,000
she has come to take him with her

878
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:10,800
two months later my father died four

879
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:12,880
months after that i asked who was the

880
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,119
lady standing behind my mother

881
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,200
it was my mother's mother she had come

882
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,119
to take my mother with her

883
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:21,280
my mother died soon after that at the

884
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:22,880
age of 40.

885
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:25,599
of course i don't remember this but my

886
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:26,720
sister told me

887
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:29,119
when i was older i took my first

888
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:31,359
spiritualist meeting when i was 14 years

889
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,079
old

890
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:35,280
14 and 3 weeks to be exact i was the

891
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:35,760
leading

892
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,720
chorister and i remember the great gold

893
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:40,960
cross going up the aisle

894
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,599
i took the full meeting address prayers

895
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:44,960
and clairvoyance

896
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,680
i had a breakdown when i was 19 and went

897
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,119
for a sea voyage

898
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:51,839
with a relative who worked on a ship

899
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:52,880
during that time

900
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:55,359
i contacted people in america and

901
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,400
australia

902
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,520
where i attended spiritualist meetings

903
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:02,400
believe me spiritualists are the same

904
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:03,359
everywhere

905
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,520
the first meeting i took i was in trance

906
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,599
at that age i couldn't have stood in

907
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:11,200
front of a lot of people

908
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:14,240
my composure is better now but i am

909
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,200
always ready to run away most mediums

910
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,280
feel that way before a meeting

911
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:21,599
in answer to a meeting about whether

912
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:23,520
health affected his power

913
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:26,640
dell said when you are tired it is not

914
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,760
so clear

915
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:30,000
but when you are not in very good health

916
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:30,880
it is

917
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:34,800
better i was 100 healthy when i was in

918
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:35,280
the

919
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:38,160
royal air force and i took some shocking

920
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:39,359
meetings

921
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:40,880
when i was ill with heart troubles

922
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:43,520
during the war i left the hospital i was

923
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,320
out at cardiff

924
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:46,000
and traveled to london to attend a

925
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:47,359
seance i

926
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:50,880
really was ill percy wilson

927
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,839
met me and said have you come to

928
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:55,280
describe or be

929
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:57,920
described but i had one of the best

930
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:58,560
meetings

931
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,680
i'd ever taken robert dell had already

932
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:02,960
explained that his

933
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,320
main work was in this sphere of clear

934
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,359
audience and one of the panel inquired

935
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:11,440
exactly what dell could hear

936
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:14,079
how clearly and in what manner compared

937
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:16,000
with normal physical speech

938
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:19,119
he replied i hear the spirit voices on

939
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:20,160
the side of the

940
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:24,240
head only always in the right ear

941
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:28,079
i feel as if that ear goes cold

942
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:29,599
but in fact i've never had my

943
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,839
temperature taken it's a sort of

944
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,119
numbness

945
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:36,000
the voices well that's rather like a

946
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:36,640
faint

947
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:40,000
telephone that is why names like

948
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,280
bell and adele can be confused

949
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:45,359
and perhaps why some psychics are

950
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:46,480
accused of

951
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,040
making mistakes yet it is really

952
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,440
surprising what we get through

953
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:53,520
and not all in languages we can

954
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,800
understand

955
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,040
when it is a foreign language we have to

956
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,200
listen very carefully of course

957
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,400
and then repeat it syllable by syllable

958
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,280
i heard german once i don't know a word

959
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:07,200
of german except heil hitler

960
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,240
but at a meeting in painting i was able

961
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:12,480
to pass the message on

962
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:14,960
and another time at the victoria hall

963
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:15,760
london

964
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,119
i gave a whole message in spanish

965
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:21,839
of which i know not a word there is a

966
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,200
big difference between

967
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,839
big and small meetings the big meetings

968
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:27,760
give stronger power

969
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:30,640
it's awful to try and take a meeting in

970
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,680
a comparatively empty room

971
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,599
usually you get clairvoyance or

972
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:36,720
clairaudience

973
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:40,319
but very rarely both together not in

974
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:43,839
99 cases out of a hundred we see

975
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,640
and we don't hear or we hear and we

976
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:47,920
don't see

977
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,319
in mass meetings i get voices and there

978
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:52,480
is very little clairvoyance

979
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,520
clairvoyant starts off with a light

980
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,160
the room here at this moment is not

981
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:00,640
quite so clear as when i came in

982
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,240
i can only explain it as a kettle

983
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,720
that is clear invisible space just

984
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:08,000
between the grey

985
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,160
steam and the spout all wavering

986
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:14,640
it's sometimes like that i suppose this

987
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:15,599
is the power

988
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:18,720
and is apparently what we draw on

989
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:21,839
we have a grand trade union you know at

990
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:24,079
a meeting we can just say

991
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:27,280
the power is gone and no chairman can

992
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:28,000
tell us

993
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:31,280
to carry on all spirit people no matter

994
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:34,720
what they have been come in

995
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:37,599
light we are often told we are

996
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,040
contacting people from

997
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:42,319
the dark regions if that is so then i am

998
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:43,200
very glad

999
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:46,319
because my mother is one of them i

1000
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:49,599
think it is all nonsense to say we

1001
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:52,560
contact only evil spirits the strange

1002
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,280
thing is

1003
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,920
no matter who they are they all appear

1004
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,440
surrounded by light

1005
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:59,520
when i get the impression of a spirit's

1006
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:00,800
light it is

1007
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:04,000
at first the size of a two

1008
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:07,040
shilling piece and in color a

1009
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:10,160
bluish white the light gradually grows

1010
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:11,040
in size and

1011
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,040
hovers about six inches away from the

1012
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:14,800
person sitting in the chair

1013
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:17,920
until it is just one column of light

1014
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:20,319
at this instant dell said he could

1015
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,599
detect a light

1016
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,599
starting to glow above the head of a

1017
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:25,280
sitter on the far

1018
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:28,319
side of the room and began to describe

1019
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:29,200
it

1020
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:39,200
clearer at the top now and i can see a

1021
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,240
woman

1022
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:42,880
i can make out the face the rest is

1023
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:43,680
still

1024
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:47,520
in white mist this woman was of medium

1025
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,800
height about 63 years of

1026
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:53,520
age when she passed there is a faint

1027
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:54,800
resemblance

1028
00:43:03,270 --> 00:42:59,280
to you addressing the sitter directly

1029
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:03,280
in the eyes i have a very tired feeling

1030
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,480
coming over me

1031
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:07,440
i don't care whether i die this minute i

1032
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,079
feel so

1033
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,200
weary the lady is fading now

1034
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:14,079
i can't hold these people other mediums

1035
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:15,520
say they can

1036
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,800
but i can't there is still a misty light

1037
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:20,079
all over you

1038
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:23,599
that lady is a relative she passed

1039
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:27,280
out a considerable time ago and was

1040
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:30,480
on your mother's side of the family i

1041
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:34,319
feel she was very weak with a great

1042
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,680
tiredness in her legs i hope the spirit

1043
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:39,680
people will forgive me for making

1044
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:42,319
a guinea pig of this case but you did

1045
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:42,960
ask

1046
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,000
what the light was like you know

1047
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,880
to me spiritualism is a religion

1048
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:50,800
whatever scientific approach you may

1049
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:51,920
have to it

1050
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:54,960
it is the essence of all religions

1051
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,319
to me it has made the orthodox

1052
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,880
teachings easier to understand i can

1053
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,480
understand some of the miracles of

1054
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,160
christ now

1055
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:06,400
clear audience is something different

1056
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:08,079
whether it is a voice box that the

1057
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,000
spirit people speak onto

1058
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:11,920
i don't know the voices are always

1059
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,839
around the medium and not around the

1060
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,760
recipient of the message

1061
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,000
i heard two names called immediately

1062
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:19,839
that spirit faded

1063
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,040
elizabeth and annie

1064
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:26,000
there is somebody here calling out the

1065
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:27,520
name

1066
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:31,359
turnbull jane did anybody

1067
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,119
here know a mrs jane turnbull

1068
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:38,160
lady muriel anderson knew the name and

1069
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,960
immediately

1070
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,800
she spoke to the medium and said her

1071
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,160
voice was

1072
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:44,720
right immediately the right voice

1073
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:46,960
answers and there is a waveflow i can

1074
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:50,240
feel it is a gentleman

1075
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:53,119
a young man who passed during the war i

1076
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:54,000
am not seeing

1077
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:57,520
a spirit form now but i am relying on

1078
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:01,119
sensing it's a type of psychometry and i

1079
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,000
have a

1080
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,720
picture impressed on my brain dell

1081
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,160
appeared excited

1082
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:08,880
as a new spirit form came through and

1083
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,520
said

1084
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,440
addressing the panel you know at the

1085
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,599
beginning i was hoping that you would be

1086
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:14,960
nice and kind

1087
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:17,280
now i don't care two hoots whether you

1088
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:18,400
are kind or not

1089
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:21,839
i'm getting a very strong impression now

1090
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:25,440
this boy was aged 23

1091
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:28,560
a flight sergeant

1092
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,359
in the royal air force i think later he

1093
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:33,359
got a commission

1094
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:36,720
he's not a relation he contacts or

1095
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,760
is associated with the family and is

1096
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:41,359
calling the name

1097
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:44,960
jim now a lady has built up in front of

1098
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:45,599
you

1099
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:49,280
about 40 years of age she died either

1100
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:50,800
through or

1101
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:55,040
was connected with an operation

1102
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:58,079
for i can smell the anesthetic

1103
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:01,599
i think it's an aunt i'm hearing aunt

1104
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:04,960
do you know jane lady anderson said

1105
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,640
no also the name of clark

1106
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:11,040
she died as a result of a shock of some

1107
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:11,839
kind

1108
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:15,119
there is a masonic sign over your head i

1109
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:15,440
know

1110
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:18,319
nothing about freemasonry at all but i

1111
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:20,319
think this is one of their symbols

1112
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:23,359
also i am getting george

1113
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:27,599
not a love link but a marriage link

1114
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,480
also do you know a man who dropped dead

1115
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:31,760
when he was about

1116
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:36,160
45 some time ago lady anderson said yes

1117
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,200
about 10 years ago standing behind you

1118
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:42,000
is a man who was a doctor while on earth

1119
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:43,119
i am getting

1120
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:46,560
no name a light has come down to you

1121
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:49,599
in the region of your own heart

1122
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:52,960
i feel it's rather a tired heart

1123
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,839
the medium received the name of curran

1124
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:56,880
which was

1125
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:59,520
recognized by dr bendent who said that

1126
00:47:10,340 --> 00:47:02,000
if it is the name he had in mind

1127
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:10,350
the man is very much alive

1128
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:11,440
[Music]

1129
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,040
and that's where we'll leave that

1130
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,680
particular report for this week

1131
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,079
next week we'll continue with the

1132
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:20,800
panel's investigation of mr robert

1133
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:24,319
dell and his alleged

1134
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:28,800
mediumship and that comes to us from the

1135
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:32,400
color magazine sunday sun supplement

1136
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:36,240
published on the 24th of september 1950.

1137
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:39,280
an interesting account so far of this

1138
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:40,079
man's uh

1139
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,920
claims into uh psychic powers

1140
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:46,079
but once again i think you can see as we

1141
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:47,359
go through this series

1142
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:48,960
there's an awful lot of what we would

1143
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now call stock standard cold reading

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going on

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and of course after 70 years and a

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report like this

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00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:01,920
it's hard to know exactly what happened

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00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:04,720
or exactly who knew what about whom

1149
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,599
we can only hazard a guess anyway more

1150
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:09,280
about mr dell next week

1151
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including the panel's report

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00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:19,510
and you can read that for yourself and

1153
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:23,599
much more at trove.nla.gov

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,240
zone now

1156
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,640
a tip-off a tip-off from a listener has

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00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:52,960
come my way

1158
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:56,960
and it's uh it's really disappointing

1159
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,720
to see this one anyway we all know

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that over the last year we've learnt the

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importance

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been brought home

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to us the importance of good hand

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hygiene

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things like that when it comes to covert

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19

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and i think a lot of us including me

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have learned a lot more about

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biology and virus and transmission and

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things like that

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00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,200
well not everybody has learned a lot we

1172
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have a chiropractor

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a chiropracting practice in the state of

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queensland

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and according to their website the fact

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that our body has

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51 trillion cells well that's great

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00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,000
because it's only a one cell

1179
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:46,720
virus that comes in so you know and

1180
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:48,000
they're suggesting that

1181
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:51,200
it seems a bit crazy that we trust

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medicine

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more than we trust our amazing body well

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00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,119
you know context here

1185
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:59,040
sometimes we have to trust medicine more

1186
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,640
than our amazing body because our

1187
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:02,960
amazing body hasn't got a hope

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this chiropractic practice also says

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uh enough of this nonsense about the big

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bad bug and all the worry about

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washing your hands apart from anything

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else

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i think worldwide we've seen a

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a no less than astounding and dramatic

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decrease in the common cold and the

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seasonal flu

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00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:32,480
and shock horror it might have something

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00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:33,839
to do with people

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the final advice is keep up with your

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chiropractic

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00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,760
adjustments i'm going to link to this

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website

1203
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,160
and you can see the video for yourself

1204
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:50,240
on this week's show notes

1205
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:53,599
and you can view the wave

1206
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:57,040
chiropractic site for yourself

1207
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:59,119
and i think probably it's about time

1208
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,880
somebody complained about businesses

1209
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,240
like this

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00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:04,160
i think wave chiropractic should be

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00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:05,839
waving goodbye

1212
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,760
but on more positive news we have an

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upcoming meeting at the

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00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:11,200
canberra skeptics canberra skeptics

1215
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:12,559
proudly present

1216
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:15,280
overview of rand's truth decay

1217
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:16,400
initiative

1218
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:19,040
and this will be on monday the 15th of

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00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:20,160
february

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00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:23,760
at uh 6 p.m the speaker is dr

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00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:26,960
karl rhodes and needless to say of

1222
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:29,040
course this is a virtual meeting

1223
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,800
which means no matter where you are in

1224
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:32,240
the world you can

1225
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,280
join in with the fun just like you do

1226
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,680
with the vic skeptics cafe our friends

1227
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,839
on the gold coast have regular

1228
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:42,000
online events and right here in sydney

1229
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:43,599
australia with sydney skeptics in the

1230
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:44,720
pub

1231
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,720
anyway getting back to this talk it says

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00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:48,319
over the past two decades national

1233
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,760
politics and civil discourse

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00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,599
in the united states has been

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00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:52,800
characterized by

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00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,000
truth decay defined as a set of four

1237
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:58,400
interrelated trends an increasing

1238
00:52:02,309 --> 00:51:59,520
disagreement about

1239
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,319
facts and analytical interpretations of

1240
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:04,400
facts and data a

1241
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:07,119
blurring of the line between opinion and

1242
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:07,680
fact

1243
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:10,800
and an increase in the relative volume

1244
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,280
and resulting influence of opinion and

1245
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:15,760
personal experience over fact

1246
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,800
and lowered trust informally respected

1247
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,119
sources of factual information

1248
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,119
sounds like a really interesting talk

1249
00:52:29,230 --> 00:52:25,280
very thought provoking

1250
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,240
and you can find out more about that at

1251
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,359
www.cameraskeptics.org or just

1252
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,440
as we say follow the link in this week's

1253
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,680
show notes before i go thank you once

1254
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:37,680
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1255
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:40,800
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1256
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:44,240
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1257
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:47,359
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1258
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:50,319
on a very uh practical level without

1259
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:51,920
your support and contributions

1260
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:56,720
i couldn't uh i couldn't muster the uh

1261
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,359
the wherewithal to keep the show going

1262
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,440
so my gratitude indeed and welcome to

1263
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:03,119
those new people just in the last week

1264
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:04,559
who've signed up

1265
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:07,599
and um it means an awful lot

1266
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:10,319
here at the skeptic zone studios but for

1267
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,119
this week

1268
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:13,200
this is richard saunders signing off

1269
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:20,470
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1270
00:53:25,150 --> 00:53:21,920
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1271
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:25,160
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1272
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:26,559
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1273
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:29,599
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1274
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:31,599
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1275
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,119
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1279
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:45,599
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1280
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,800
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00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:50,160
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00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:52,559
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00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:54,640
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1284
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:56,720
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00:54:14,710 --> 00:53:57,920
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1286
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,549
welcome to the people who listen after

1287
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:18,720
the music

1288
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,680
to wait with baited breath for the dice

1289
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:23,440
game this is where we roll a ten sided

1290
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:25,599
die

1291
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:27,920
or a six or sometimes a thirty or a

1292
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:28,640
twenty or

1293
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:31,440
who knows what and normally three times

1294
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:31,920
and you

1295
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:35,040
use your whatever power

1296
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:38,480
psychic maybe maybe you've traveled into

1297
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,119
the future

1298
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,280
and you know what's happening you've

1299
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:43,200
come back just to play this game

1300
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:46,480
anyway i'm gonna roll this d10

1301
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:49,920
ten sided die three times or maybe four

1302
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:53,280
if you're lucky and it's up to you

1303
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,000
to see if you can guess what number's

1304
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:58,160
coming up so here we go

1305
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:59,520
i'm going to use the dice rolling

1306
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:02,079
machine and the device

1307
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:06,640
whatever it is first number

1308
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:10,319
eight eight

1309
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:12,640
maybe somebody is manipulating these

1310
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:13,440
dice

1311
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,690
by psychic means who knows second number

1312
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:19,359
[Music]

1313
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,549
last number here we go

1314
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:31,990
oh it's a susan for those of you who

1315
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:32,960
don't know that means

1316
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,960
five there we go a five so today's

1317
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:38,720
numbers are eight four and five for the

1318
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:40,640
supplementary

1319
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:44,330
the lucky last lucky here it comes

1320
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,000
[Music]

1321
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,599
another four eight four five four